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Wulvern's tough stance continues
Wulvern continues to act tough with tenants, and that must be heartening those who previously thought that problem neighbours were untouchable. The latest to be evicted is a mother of three, of Minshull New Road. She had previously ignored several notices issued by landlord Wulvern requiring her to remove brambles, weeds and various overgrown vegetation from both the front and rear gardens. Sounds harmless, but a catalogue of complaints had been received from neighbours including sightings of rats and mice in the garden. Wulvern Officers had visited the unnamed tenant over 20 times over two years to request that she cleaned up the garden and had offered advice about how best to do this. Wulvern had also paid for gardeners to clear the foliage more than once, but the garden soon returned to its previous state. The 30-year-old, who has also recently been prosecuted for benefit fraud, was evicted today this Monday. Wulvern’s Anti-Social Behaviour Co-ordinator, Matthew Cox, explained: "We don’t take serious action like this lightly. We have tried to get this tenant to act responsibly and went out of our way to help her, but unfortunately she didn’t respond to that. Wulvern Tenants who are intent on making the lives of their neighbours miserable should take note that we can and will act against them.”
63 comments:
And it must be a relief to all who complained as it is a nightmare when there is an empty house next door and you pray you get a good neighbor.
with that said wulvern know to well who are going to be bad but they continue to give young 3 stripe rebok single mothers with no life skills what so ever homes.
They know full well how it is going to turn out and then get brownie points when they evict them and get publicity in the local press for doing good.
There are plenty of GOOD people waiting for homes and wulvern know this but because of their political correct polices of housing single mothers and,the bad press they would get if they dident, they house them and sit back.
When will wulvern take action in the first place and be more "pro-active" instead of re-active? I suppose the former dont get any applause as its doin a job.
Single mothers and feral kids every ones nightmare FACT but wulvern know this but still house them.
O. Cromwell.
i take it you got somethin against single mothers!!! they're not all the same
i own my house on mossford ave and have wulvern tenants next door who i believe are portugese nationals ,there back garden is a disgrace and as not been cut since they moved in about 3 years ago and they are now using it as a dumping ground for beds and furniture ,so some do get through the wulvern net !
A couple of questions, rather than a comment. As a former Crewe bloke living in Canada, I'm not sure how Wulvern works. Is it a quasi-governmental body that manages what used to be public (council) housing? Second question, when problem tenants are evicted, whose responsibility do they become? I can't believe these people were left on the street to fend for themselves. Are such evictions simply a means of moving the problems into someone else's bailiwick?
I agree with the first comment. In fact, why bother housing 'single mothers and feral kids' at all? Let's just leave them on the streets.
I do actually wonder, going by comments such as these, whether people have actually moved on from the Victorian era...
There was a contribution from a recently homeless chap on one of the BBC message boards that gives another perspective. He was in his sixties and had last worked a couple of years ago. In spite of many applications he had not had a single interview. After falling behind on his mortgage, he was forced to hand in the keys.
Even though he'd paid into the system for over 40 years, the local social housing organisation could not give him any help because, as a single man, he wasn't a priority. He felt rather bitter that teenage, single mums who had babies as a lifestyle choice were rated above him on the waiting list.
Having worked hard all his life and having contributed to society through many thousands of pounds of taxes, the first time he needed help the answer was "sorry mate, you're on your own."
Personally, I would rather give a home to someone like him than to a 16 year old mum, who has fallen out with her parents.
Exactly, thats the system that wulvern work with, house the single mothers, I keep coming back to this blog to see if wulvern have made any comments as they do read the blog but it appears they are shying away from this one, not surprised really as they can never answer when i bring it up at any meetings i attend.
Another interesting fact is that if you go into their office on eddisson rd you are met by females, not one bloke to be seen, wonder if these staff can pull a few strings for certain groups to get housed.
wulvern are no different then this government and slowly they will be outed too.
O Cromwell.
Love the photo, its like one from Springwatch. A wild Matt was spotted in some undergrowth in an urban backgarden in Crewe :)
It's interesting that Wulvern get berated for not being tough on anti-social behaviour and then when they DO act on it, they still get criticised. If people have queries about Wulvern's housing policy, or, their equality and diversity policy - why not contact them? I believe Rob Allen asked people to contact him directly in a recent article on the blog.
Isn't it odd that people who say such biggoted things always hide behind pseudonyms?
so amanda whats your second name?
O Cromwell
I don't think you need to know that Mr Cromwell - I wouldn't want you stalking me.
To Oliver Cromwell,
You may want to pick a different pseudonym out of curiousity I wikipedia'd him - what a dreadful ending he had - see below.
'In 1661, Oliver Cromwell's body was exhumed from Westminster Abbey, and was subjected to the ritual of a posthumous execution, as were the remains of John Bradshaw and Henry Ireton. (The body of Cromwell's daughter was allowed to remain buried in the Abbey.) Symbolically, this took place on 30 January; the same date that Charles I had been executed. His body was hanged in chains at Tyburn. Finally, his disinterred body was thrown into a pit, while his severed head was displayed on a pole outside Westminster Hall until 1685. Afterwards the head changed hands several times, including the sale in 1814 to a man named Josiah Henry Wilkinson'.
tangent now on this blog and it is a shame you dident learn your history at school about cromwell instead of having to look him up! i suppose you might be one of them mentioned in my first blog at the beginning of this this blog.
One quote you might want to remember of cromwells "when men run out of words they reach for their swords " o cromwell
Sorry Ollie, my speciality is science, more specifically geophysics so no, history is not my strong point but thats the beauty of the internet - instant access to information - for example, according to wiki Cromwell doesn't seem a particulary nice chap - maybe thats you identify?
Don't know quite what you mean by 'one of them'? I would find it quite exciting to be a feral kid. If you mean single mothers - I think you are doing many decent single parents a disservice. If you have a problem with Wulvern tenants - report it to Wulvern, I did and they dealt with it.
Mr Cromwell (I assume thats your name as you seem to be desperately grasping for a connection to some historical figure)
Exactly, thats the system that wulvern work with, house the single mothers, not surprised really as they can never answer when i bring it up at any meetings i attend.
I think you'll find that Wulverns housing policy is actualy dictated by the government and is not something Wulvern have come up with themselves, if you have a problem with single parents rushing to the top of the housing ladder then lobby your MP instead of moaning on here.
Another interesting fact is that if you go into their office on eddisson rd you are met by females, not one bloke to be seen, wonder if these staff can pull a few strings for certain groups to get housed.
Wow sexist as well as lonely, you must be a joy at parties Mr Cromwell, assuming you actually get invited to any that is.
wulvern are no different then this government and slowly they will be outed too.
Actually you are slightly wrong (please excuse my lack of surprise, oh and by saying slightly I was trying not be too harsh on you as it's never nice to belittle the disadvantaged) the government are an elected body, elected by the people to represent the people and are tasked with making laws that companies "like wulvern" have to abide by, which brings me round nicely to the point that Wulvern are indeed a company, you'll be waiting a long time to be able to vote a company out!
One quote you might want to remember of cromwells "when men run out of words they reach for their swords " o cromwell
I do feel sorry for you Mr Cromwell, maybe you should stick to swordplay as your linguistic perspicacity is somewhat lacking.
with that said wulvern know to well who are going to be bad but they continue to give young 3 stripe rebok single mothers with no life skills what so ever homes.
Again I must draw your atention to the fact that Wulvern are simply following the rules laid down by the government people like you voted for Mr Cromwell.
I have first hand experience of Wulvern dealing with Anti-social tennants and they are doing a good job, granted it can take time but thats a problem with the courts requiring a mass of evidence and the police's lack of support when it comes to dealing with persistent offenders, Personally I think they should have more power and there should be a three strikes policy, not three long drawn out cases of anti-social behaviour (several incidents) but three incidents.
you sound exciting amanda, every mans dream.
With that said whats your name? You did join this blog on discloser of such and then hid behind femininity, I find you exciting coming out of the kitchen and into the science world all by your self tho bypassing all other life skills , you should go out there and give your skills to the single 3 stripe rebok mothers that you seem to be defending.
Kind Regards.
O Cromwell.
you sound exciting amanda, every mans dream.
You can't begin to imagine Mr Cromwell.
Oh and just to point out small error Mr Cromwell, the three stripes are Adiddas not Reebok, there comes a point in peoples lives that they lose their grip on whats fashionable, apparently yours was in the late eighties.
To Oliver,
I don't work in the science world anymore. If you feel people lack life skills, why don't you volunteer with one of the many organisations around here that helps those who may not have been lucky enough to have had people around them to teach them - then you would end up with a better reputation and inner feeling of happiness than your poor name sake. Re the kitchen - I am never to be found in there.
Just for the record the concerns are not for the single mother or teenage girl to have priority it for the welfare of the child and this is reconised by all shades of government as a priority.As for a single man getting no help there is nothing stopping him from going into the private rented sector and if neccessary he can get assistance with his rent plus a 25%reduction in his council tax obviously dependant on his circumstances and income.
Oliver
I think you'll find that IC Hall and Amanda are connected in some way. Tread carefully, anonymous's are never quite what they seem.
IC hall back on scene, long time no see, I do remember a connection between him/her and amanda when the blog started some years ago.
I recall ic halls comments then were interesting to read but when when you sat back and read them again it just never hit the mark, bit like a politician, we listen to them but we dont trust them!
I think he had enough of the comments he received off fellow bloggers and withdrew, now amanda has called upon support and he/she is back on the scene, cromwell never give up either so its nice to have you back icey, just like the old days. Pistols or swords on the green sir?
Regards
O Cromwell
Well said Tezza. Relevant and factual - what a contrast to most of the other ramblings.
Seems to me that no-one has yet addressed the basic issue. Some people have difficulty in coping with responsibility. Sure we shouldn't give them a cushy subsidised life but if we simply adopt easy populist arguments like "putting them on the streets," etc., exactly how will that help ?
There's still a cost unless you're prepared to let them rot in the gutters (oops no, we pay for the street sweepers as well don't we). And it certainly won't help them to sort themselves out.
If anyone can produce some answers it would be a refreshing change from the rants of people who are too nasty or lazy to think about positive solutions.
Having read al the comments, followed the flow of words, I feel a few heads need banging together. I fully understand where Mr Cromwell is coming from, having my self been homeless and not able to get a home. When you see how the system works and the problems for all, you do want to shout and moan.
Now this blog is here to allow people to express their views and I was a little sad to read the snide comment of Amanda and IC Hall. Although it would seed that you are easy bate and bite very easy!
I do hope that Amanda and IC Hall will accept my apologies’ if my response or intellect may not quite be up to there standard! However, the blog is here to allow all to comment and stir debate on issues which affect us all and Mr Cromwell has done that.
I don’t agree fully with the way he has expressed his views and feeling, but at least he has in the way he feels he can.
We need to take the debate back to step1. Look at Mr Cromwell’s concerns, which I do understand, but also understand that Wulvern have to follow laws and rules and at times they would rather not house some tenants who are going to be trouble and it would be far better to have Mr or Mrs Perfect. Yet the World we live in is not Black or White and all we can do is express how we feel in hope of making things better.
But let us all remember we have a social duty to care and support all of society, even if we would rather use Mr Cromwell’s sword on!
We do need to get tough and deal with those who abuse the good work Wulvern try’s to do. But it must not be with a big stick only if other areas don’t work. We need to try and teach what is right and wrong and for some they have never been shown what is the right way and the benefits which come from that.
Wulvern is not got it 100% right but I feel they are working towards trying to get things better. It would help if they did set some examples and respond to e-mails via customer service. Having recently request a new key fob, via the on line site I have still not had a reply 2 weeks later and ended up calling in to ask why? So they are far from being perfect. A lot like our Society!!!!!!
So guys please get back to the main issues and not fight against those who may not express themselves in the best way.
John D.
Anonymous,
'anonymous's are never quite what they seem', how exciting! This is even more exciting than the idea of being a feral child :) Tell us more....
Oh dear oh dear! I have said this before but here goes again. If you want to meet me to discuss the issues that are raised here regarding wulvern then all you have to do is call me on 01270 503614 or email me rob.allen@wulvernhousing.org.uk
for the record Wulvern properties are allocated purely on housing need according to the lettings policy of Cheshire East and in accordance with housing law that is there to protect those who are most vulnerable.
Rob Allen
Partnerships Director
Wulvern
Typical response off wulvern blame it on someone else, this time its cheshire east lettings policy, its about time they got them selfs on the board then and have an input towards the lettings policy's! They want to tell them about certain groups that are in need of housing and are top of the list only to be pushed off because little Brittany just left school got pregnant and needs housing and sure enough gets it, mr cromwell has said it as it is, the problem is no likes the truth and he sadly has said it as it is today.
Dale G.
I am a divorced single man who would dearly prefer to be renting a flat from Wulvern, as it would be much cheaper than the property I am renting in the private sector at the moment. When I applied, Wulvern offered to put me on a twelve year plus waiting list. The lady who dealt with my application even hinted to me that because I didn't have a medical condition or a child under sixteen then I had no chance.
I have lived in this borough all of my life so far and have a full time job. My property is looked after very well by myself as well. I now feel that I have got it totally wrong and that I should be a drug user or an alcoholic layabout. What is wrong with this country?
As for Wulvern's Housing Director Rob Allen, why should people like myself or others come and meet you in your office where you are comfortable and at home with all the legal and political people around you to give you advice whereas I probably would not have such power behind me. Easy isn't it Rob. I've got a better idea. Why don't you continue to answer peoples questions on this blog as you have done so far. Afraid that someone will say something that you or your legal/political team may struggle to answer?
To John D,
The banter between myself and Oliver Cromwell is quite light hearted, as for IC Hall although I know him, I can't speak on his behalf but again I would say his comments are light hearted and although his makes his point, he has a sense of humour - just like Oliver. I don't intentionally make snide comments to Oliver, I find his comments funny. As for the original issue, Rob Allen has posted his details (again)- if you are unhappy, contact him, he helped me when I had an issue with ASB. As for apologising for your own intellect maybe its your own self esteem issues you should address instead. People are free to agree and disagree on topics on the blog, thats what makes it interesting. Why do you feel you are taking other peoples' often flippant comments so personally?
To Amanda, “My catch of the day!”
I have reflected on what I said “Now this blog is here to allow people to express their views and I was a little sad to read the snide comment of Amanda and IC Hall. Although it would seem that you are easy bate and bite very easy!”
It might be fairer if Mr Cromwell were to comment on your response more than me but I did find your comments off hand and feel you just want to have an argument rather than deal with the issue at hand.
However, it could be Mr Cromwell was also fishing and hooked a fish too!
I may have been harsh using the word “snide” but the bate worked! As for your comment – “As for apologising for your own intellect maybe it’s your own self esteem issues you should address instead.” Snide or Banter? Not worth commenting on so, sorry I’m not biting!
The whole subject is a very controversial one and I can quite understand why, so many people do get upset about the present system. Compensation for female oppression has swung too far the other way!
I don’t have any magic solution only hope that a fairer way and more balanced approach will win in the end.
Can you confirm your not Rob Allen’s PR team or work for Wulvern? Oops sorry I’m not fishing any more only just a little banter!
John D
To John D,
As some people on the blog will probably be aware I am a Wulvern tenant and I had real problems with anti-social neighbours who were also Wulvern tenants. Last summer Rob Allen along with Matt Cox sorted it out so of course I will suggest people contact Rob when he suggests it.
Whoever the anti social tenants are they have to live somewhere. Moving them out of one house must be good for their neighbours; but presumably they will now have unsuspecting new neighbours. How does this work?
I dont care about the personal problems or the real identity of Amanda, I C Hall, Oliver Cromwell, John D or whoever. This gets boring and frankly self-indulgent.
How about some serious attempts to understand the real problems and the real issues.
Ok Dale and anonymous divorced single man and John D
I will meet and explain our point of view to you when and where you wish. My contact details are above.
John if you haven't had a reply to your query then give me the details and I will find out why.
For those of you who know me I grew up in the west end of crewe and spent most of my life in council housing so I am passionate about the role that organisations such as Wulvern can play in helping those most in need. I am not one to hide in any ivory tower or shy away from a challenge so contact me and let's get together.
By the way I was not passing the buck to Cheshire East.
Cheers
Rob
Dear Rob Allen
Again and again you ask people to contact you personally with regards critisism or comments about Wulvern. Again I will stress, what is wrong with debating them on this blog site?
I have a further question for you Mr Allen. Is it true that Wulvern are no longer just responsible for social housing? I have had numerous complaints from your tenants that they have all received a very personal questionaire regarding their private lives and whether they work or not. The Crewe Chronicle printed such complaints on their editorial pages some weeks ago. So Mr Allen, does that mean that you are now responsible for doing the work of the local job centre and social services as well now? I'm sure those people will be so happy to lose their jobs if that is the case. Whether an individual works or not is none of your business, as long as the rent is paid and they are not anti-social comments. I'm sure Amanda or I C Hall are itching to respond to this.
I'll back up exactly what Rob has said, I live in the west end too and had problems with anti-social neighbours, When I posted on the blog here (and some will remember how vocal I was) Rob challenged me to get in touch and said he'd deal with the problem, and you know what.... that's EXACTLY what he did, I'll be honest some of you may have spotted I have a cynical nature and at first thought that this was just a pacifying excersise, how wrong I was!
Once I had learned that just shouting about it on a blog doesn't solve the issue, Wulvern need specifics before they can act and a reasonable amount of evidence so that they can be sure that they have enough to secure an eviction (if that's what is required). What I will add is that Wulvern did intervene and did everything they could to resolve the issue with the anti-social tennant which in my case didn't require an eviction, I have no doubt had it gone that far Wulvern would have stood by their promise!
As has already been said Wulvern have to work within legislation laid down by governing authorities, be that the council or the government and what can sometimes appear to be "wulverns flawed housing policy" is actually housing law which is totally out of Wulverns hands.
The comment about Rob in his ivory tower surrounded by lawyers and legal bods is soooo far off the mark, I know how much Rob cares about the communities as I've seen it first hand and from what I can tell he's also trying to push that mentality throughout Wulvern.
There's a whole aspect to this that we are missing though, as members of society we need to stop peeping round the curtains when scum are terrorising the old folk muttering to ourselves how bad it is and someone should do something, when we all stand together and say "that is not acceptable" then we'll be part way there, when you see kids racing up and down the path's on mini-moto's or intimidating the elderley and you say nothing then you have no right to take any moral high ground. This is where my issue with the police failing to support decent law abiding members of society comes from, but that's a whole different thread.
If you give Wulvern the opportunity to help deal with anti-social neighbours then they do take the bull by the horns but you have to play your part as well.
To Rob Allen and others
Rob, thanks for the offer, I will call you sometime soon.
With regards to all the other comments, be they Banter or Snide remarks! I have to agree with the last reply from "Anonymous” We have all gone away from the main issues, an issue which our system has created with looking out for societies minority groups and in some case’s the majority of us have to suffer for the few.
That’s Life, be it wrong at times.
If we want to live in a civilized society, then these can be some of the down sides. However, we need to keep things in perspective and not allow the minority groups to run shot gun over the majority.
The debate we have been having does highlight some of the unfairness brought about by us trying to be a caring society. Yet we need to look at the way we follow such rules, as by doing so it’s clear we breach others rights! So who get a house and who does not, together with those who can’t or don’t want to follow societies rules is very controversial.
Yes we need to look at a fairer way for all to ensure the balance of who is able to jump any housing queue or unable to a good neighbours and follow some of society’s basic rules! But it will all come back to Freedom! But to have Freedom you need fair rules.
That’s it from me for now will watch and read all comments and contribute when I can.
Have fun!
John
What a good blog and i have never seen so many replies on a subject, It clearly shows that the unfairness of wulvern/cheshire east/goverment housing policies, who ever, that they need changing and for me it starts at the bottom ie wulvern and its about time they stated lobbying the chain for change not sit back and blame others for policy.
Single man/women, and just for you amanda, three stripe ADDIDAS single mothers, who ever is at the top of the list for housing then they should get housing, no jumping the list, you never know it might reduce teenage pregnancy's too ! Fairness is whats needed and single men dont get it at wulvern and i advice any man to go to the main office on electra way and see another man! you got a better chance trust me.
Regards to all,
O CROMWELL.
O cromwell Wulvern housing and Cheshire east policies on the alocation of housing are not unfair they follow gov guidlines and are complimentary to every other authority in the country.Where children are concerned they are the priority for care,rightly so single men and women are sadly at the bottom of the list unless there are medical or other circumstances it doesnt matter if you are white ,black ,brown,rainbow coloured everyone is treated on merit.So please stop making wild accusations and look into the facts and not rely on someones wild remarks.
Simple question, is it fair that a teenager who deliberately gets pregnant just to get a flat takes preference over a single person who's paid into the system for 40 years?
tessa darling calm down its only a commercial, you are telling us what we all know already, i am saying its not fair and it should be changed, anything can be changed you know, its easy to get pregnant get a "ouse, get evicted for anti social behaviour and guess what..........
yeah they get rehoused!
have a thought for homeless above in the blog, a man, who was told he might have to wait 12 year for a home, is that right? little Brittany in the mean time would have had baby one at 17 and given a flat,evicted, baby 2 and then a 2 bed flat, shes gettin wise now, and baby 3 and bingo 3 bed house with a garden and 3 dads calling round!
Its got to stop and some one has got to make sure the system is not abused.
Regards
O CROMWELL.
It may not be so simple.
What about the rights of the child ? It would have enough problems with having a stupid mother without penalising it further.
Also - all this stuff about where issues are discussed. I would hazard a guess that people wouldn't want to discuss sensitive personal issues with Rob Allen on the blog.
I've met him and he's a decent genuine bloke.
O Cromwell its Tezza and for a good many years I have known my genda,and the last person to call me darling was my late wife.
Whether you think that the system is unfair is neither here or there as isaid before the child comes first,and as for young girls getting themselves deliberatly pregnant I think that is not the case in all circumstances remember it takes two to tango.
To Oliver Cromwell,
I didn't know you knew my neighbour Britney - small world :)
keep an eye on ur husband ammanda if you got little Brittany next door she will be looking for num 4, but may be you got an eye on one of the dads visiting her?
o cromwell
Oliver,
No thanks, am happier watching the real wildlife in my own garden.
I remember you now, you were the one who chased the magpie away from its dinner a year or two ago, you gave us your blog on it here and how brave you were for saving the little bird from the magpie, you looking after other little birds now? Take care and hug a tree for me.
O Cromwell.
Response to anon above. It would be useful to know who I was debating with but nevertheless here goes
Question: I have a further question for you Mr Allen. Is it true that Wulvern are no longer just responsible for social housing?
Response: I have no idea what this means? Out tenancy agreements state that our tenants are responsible for the behaviour of themselves, family members, visitors to the property et al both at the property and in the surrounding land. Wulvern is a registered provider of affordable housing regulated by the Tenant Services Authority. We own and manage over 5000 properties across Crewe and Nantwich and surrounding areas. We have about 16 properties at the moment that one can purchase a share in otherwise known as shared ownership. If you require any further info on this call 01270 506200
Question: I have had numerous complaints from your tenants that they have all received a very personal questionaire regarding their private lives and whether they work or not. The Crewe Chronicle printed such complaints on their editorial pages some weeks ago.
A)Wulvern in line with other registered providers has to undertake a customer profiling exercise as required to do so by our regulators The Tenant Services Authority and the Audit Commission.
We have sent a questionnaire to all out tenants to complete. We are required to collect data on gender,ethnicity,age,race,sexual orientation and disability.
The thinking behind this is that organisations such as Wulvern can tailor our services to meet the needs of our tenants. For example this exercise has resulted in us learning that some of our tenants had a disability that we were not aware of and required an adaptation to their property in order to improve their quality of life.
Also it is a fact that people with a different sexual orientation can suffer dispraportionately from hate crime as can older people.
In actual fact out of a sample of 2200 completed forms already received there are only 14 complaints!
As far as the Chronicle is concerned I believe that there was only one complaint featuring a woman from nantwich and what I considered to be an ill informed comment from a locally elected representative.
Question: So Mr Allen, does that mean that you are now responsible for doing the work of the local job centre and social services as well now? I'm sure those people will be so happy to lose their jobs if that is the case. Whether an individual works or not is none of your business, as long as the rent is paid and they are not anti-social comments. I'm sure Amanda or I C Hall are itching to respond to this.
Answer: We have not asked people if they are working or not but as you have raised the issue.
I would be interested to hear from any Wulvern tenant who is interested in starting their own business to see how we could help and support them.
Thank you for the opportunity to clarify these issues
Rob Allen
Partnerships Director
Wulvern
An interesting array of comments from all perspectives: who needs comedy shows when you can just hook up to the old www-net and read this host of merry offerings?
I would love to have a live debate with you all in one room. Why? Simply, nothing would be resolved. All of you would leave with as blinkered a vision and perception of the broader issues as when you arrived: none of you would listen to logical reasoning as you all have your own stubborn (mostly misinformed) opinions and your ego would not allow you to question any further than the extent of your perceived, deluded understanding of such matters.
Hopefully, none of you are in a position of importance that allows you to make decisions on the betterment of the local community.
Dear Rob Allen
Quote: "I would be interested to hear from any Wulvern tenant who is interested in starting their own business to see how we could help and support them."
I notice by the above comment quoted by yourself that the answer to my question of "Does that mean that you are now responsible for doing the work of the local job centre and social services as well now?" is quite simply that yes, Wulvern does now offer Job Centre advice now. When do you move into Wellington House then?
I am concerned with some of Rob Allen's comments concerning "assisting" with tenant's job searches. I would advise Wulvern's tenants to check their terms of the tenancy agreement to check whether it states that Wulvern will "assist" with their tenants finding work. I would also question if legally Wulvern are allowed to act as "Job Brokers."
Anon, it would be good to have a name... else do contact Rob. This just looks like you're trying to pick holes in the good work being done by Wulvern. Not perfect, for sure, but all of the Wulvern employees I have met have tried to make a difference and always make themselves available.
Just one final point for Rob Allen and that is my last word on the subject for now.
How would you assist a Wulvern Tennant in finding work. Through the local Job Centre, through Recruitment Agencies or through local business leaders direct?
Am I reading a different blog than other people? Where did Rob Allen say Wulvern were assisting people with job searches? I believe he said something along the lines of Wulvern were eager to help people wanting to start their own businesses, surely thats a good thing? It seems some anonymous people just like being nasty and twisting the truth into some fantasy that suits whatever their personal issues are.
To Oliver Cromwell, (sorry for going of the topic) Yes I saveed the baby starling from the magpie - I'm sure the magpie would have found food elsewhere. I can't hug a tree for you but I am planting even more creature friendly plants in the garden. Maybe a few of the grumpy anonymous people on here should try and do something nice for the world then they would feel better.
Doubtless will converse with you soon Mr Cromwell until then take care.
Amanda
a point of clarification. I did not say we would you assist a Wulvern Tennant in finding work. Through the local Job Centre, through Recruitment Agencies or through local business leaders direct.
what I actually said was
"I would be interested to hear from any Wulvern tenant who is interested in starting their own business to see how we could help and support them."
I happen to believe in fairness and equality and that organisations such as Wulvern should help and support the people that we serve so I stand by these comments.
I hope that the majority of people in Crewe would support what we are trying to do by investing in our community.
a great thread Jules and least it shows that people really care and that debate is alive and kicking in Crewe
Thanks
Rob
well lads there you have it, wulvern will assist you to start your own buisness off thus putting more money into the system to pay the rent and council tax for them that has a home (the theme of the blog) but no home for you promised, you might want to start a buisness off as a builder perhaps while your in digs knowing that the house your building is going to go to................, well you know.
never mind chaps we are the providers and not a lot will change me thinks!
Glad you remembered amanda and keep up the good work with animals and birds its a good cause and your a nice person, bye bye.
O Cromwell
I'm astounded by some of the comments, for once an organisation is showing an interest in the communities around Crewe and people are actually moaning about it? has the divide and conquer mentality of the eighties done that much damage? when the unions were smashed people became very insular and isolated, the whole mentality changed and people were told they wanted a detatched house with a six foot fence round it, all this did was smash the sense of community and isolated people further, my understanding of what Rob and Wulvern are trying to do is give people back a sense of community and the feeling of pride that you are part of a community, if this means helping people up the ladder of business/innovation then that should be applauded not ridiculed, success breeds success and it's hard enough to get a business off the ground these days.
We have got to break this fear of communities pulling together, this is an echo of the thatcher years where the "I'm alright jack sod you" attitude was encouraged, well look where it got us! now we're suspicious of people trying to help it's become that un-usual, personally I think any organisation that tries to fix the damage of years of selfishness and greed should be welcomed with open arms.
For once IC Hall I am in total agreement with you, we still suffer from the Thatcher legacy "no such thing as community"
never trust a human being!
To anyone having a go at young mums - can you please stop for a second and just think what it must be like to be a teenager and pregnant?
And please can you summon-up a scrap of fellow feeling and see beyond teenage bravado and uniform needed to desperately fit in with others?
Please also bear in mind that a male is needed for most pregnanices, why does the woman always get the blame?
And no, I'm not some starry-eyed innocent. I lived for 19 years in social housing and had problems from troublesome neighbours. Very few of them were solveable by putting down my fellow humans.
IC Hall and Amanda - thank you for so skillfully obviating the need for me to address O Cromwell in particular.
Mr Crewe Blog - great topic, you outdid the Sainsburys one with this!
I have analysed the letters written on this blog site by IC Hall and Amanda. The comments are coming through that they are left wing "potential" labour supporters. I am puzzled though. Rob Allen stated that he would help Wulvern housing tenants to become self employed and IC Hall and Amanda back his comments on this subject. However, being self employed is not what most Wulvern tenants would want. (Unless Wulvern are now concentrating on middle class tenants.) Why would socialists support such comments?
To migratingfishswim, starry eyed no, rose tinted glass"s perhaps as women have the baby's not men so like any occupation you take precautions and safety very serious if you are the one responsible for the end result.
lads are often told that all is safe and are stung when that is not so or some one has told a fib! thus the pregnant one gets a home and then another child, different dad and so on till they get their 3 bed council house with a garden, are men to blame for each mistake when this teenage girl takes this path?
It is a well known fact that this is how it is and i have witnessed first hand when a girl had an abortion because she was told she was having another boy thus would not get a move to a three bed home because both boys could share the same bedroom, one year later she is having another and bingo a girl, from derby docks to a nice home in nantwich! Is that playing the system or not and was she concerned about the dad or the the life she used to obtain her goal.
O Cromwell.
To Anonymous (19:07),
Why would anyone of any political belief (except marxism) be against someone starting their own small business? How do you know what thousands of tenants (all completely different indviduals with their own hopes and dreams) want out of life? Why does having your own business make you middle class? Why do we have to even think about what class people are in the 21st century? Why does that even matter? Do you feel better personally, if you can give people labels? Finally, and most importantly, does your post say more about you, than it does everyone else you try to catergorise?
o cromwell - rose-tinted spectacles...or i see the best that exists in people and situations?
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